12 Signs That Radical Islam Is Alive And Well And Experiencing Explosive Growth Inside The United States Of America

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The 13-story, $100 million Islamic mosque that is slated to be built just two blocks from ground zero in New York City has been making a ton of national headlines over the past week, but the truth is that this is far from an isolated incident.  Islam is rapidly growing and is gaining tremendous influence inside the United States.  50 years ago, there were very few mosques inside the United States and Muslims were a very, very small minority.  But today all of that has changed.  Even as Christianity is losing millions of adherents in the United States, Islam is experiencing explosive growth.  The Council on American-Islamic Relations says that there are 7 million Muslims inside the United States in 2010, and huge new mosques are going up from coast to coast.  Each year, increasingly large numbers of Muslims immigrate to the United States both legally and illegally.  But Islam is not just growing through immigration.  All across America, substantial numbers of Americans are converting to Islam each year, and this is particularly true in U.S. prisons where radical Islam has found a ready-made pool of disaffected young men to exploit.  The danger signs are there.  Are we going to start paying attention to them?

The following are 12 signs that show the tremendous progress that radical Islam is making in America in 2010….

1 – According to Ihsan Bagby, a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Kentucky, there were only approximately 1,200 mosques in the United States ten years ago.  Today there are approximately 1,900.

2 – An rapidly increasing number of U.S. public schools are actually adjusting their school calendars for the observance of Islamic holidays.

3Less than 100 feet from where it is said a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, Muslim military personnel bring prayer rugs and gather for group worship on weekday afternoons.

4 – Muslims now constitute approximately 10 percent of the total number of students in the New York City School District.

5 – A survey of Muslim Americans by the Pew Research Center in 2007 found that 39 percent of adult Muslims living inside the United States were immigrants that had arrived in the U.S. since 1990.

6 – In Dearborn, Michigan one high school football team has so many Muslim players that it has moved its two-a-day summer practice schedule to between 11 PM and 4 AM during Ramadan.  This was done so that the Muslim members of the team would not be forced to practice in the heat without drinking water.

7 – In the state of Maryland, Anne Arundel County recently decided to ban sporting events on the night before Islamic holidays.  They have also placed a ban on administering tests on the dates of Islamic holidays as well.

8 – In March, the opening prayer at the opening session of the Virginia General Assembly was delivered by a radical imam.

9 – Often funded with millions of dollars from overseas, a rapidly growing number of “mega-mosques” are being constructed in communities from coast to coast.

10 – Electronics retailer Best Buy now runs national ads which wish their customers a “Happy Eid al-Adha”.

11 – At least one researcher claims that Muslim inmates now comprise 17-20% of the total U.S. prison population.

12 – Even the current occupant of the White House, Barack Obama, goes out of his way to say nice things about Islam.  Just consider the following list of glowing statements that Barack Obama has made about Islam that we documented in a recent article….

#1 “Islam has always been part of America”

#2 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”

#3 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

#4 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

#5 “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”

#6 “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”

#7 “As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.”

#8 “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

#9 “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

#10 “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”

Meanwhile, Christians that attempt to express their faith and share the gospel of Jesus Christ with Muslims are increasingly being arrested and thrown in jail.  Just consider the following examples….

*Four Christians face fines of up to $500 each and up to 93 days in jail for sharing the gospel with Muslims on a public sidewalk outside of an Islamic street festival in Dearborn, Michigan.

*Two other Christians were arrested recently for sharing the gospel and singing hymns on a public sidewalk outside an Islamic mosque in the city of Philadelphia.

These Christians were simply exercising their free speech on a public sidewalk and they got thrown into prison for it.

It turns out that in America in 2010 it is much more important to protect Muslims from being offended than it is to allow Christians to exercise their constitutional rights.

The truth is that the spread of Islam inside the United States is not harmless.  In fact, radical Islamic groups are setting up training compounds from coast to coast and federal authorities don’t seem to be doing anything about it.

For example, a video released by the Christian Action Network shows members of the “Muslims Of America” participating in paramilitary style training outside of their compound in upstate New York, near the town of Hancock.

The “Muslims of America” is the name that an organization known as Jamaat ul-Fuqra uses inside the United States. They are a militant jihadist organization based in Pakistan.

In the video, you can see footage of members of Muslims in America being trained in combat techniques and the use of assault weapons.

Oh, but it is so important for us to be “tolerant” of them and to let them conduct paramilitary training on our soil.

Meanwhile, it is getting to the point where if a Christian even tries to share the gospel with a Muslim they are thrown into jail.

What in the world is happening to the United States of America?

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  • Tom Betz

    Most of your 12 points have nothing to do with “radical Islam” and everything to do with increasing military activity (especially a particular invasion based entirely on lies) in the Islamic Middle East since the 1990s, and the resulting increase in the number of wealthy and middle-class refugees fleeing those demolished countries for the US. More Muslims live here, but they are not radicalized any more than Christian White Nationalists like you are radicalized.

    As to point number 11, you will find that nearly all of those muslims are black converts, the percentage being so high because it is advantageous for imprisoned black men to convert to Islam for protection from other prisoners.

    That’s the truth, not your cherry-picked phony implications.

  • TUM

    Only #8 has anything to do with radical Islam.

    The others just show a greater national acceptance and growth of the religion as a whole.

    These are moderate Muslims, who are no more radical than you are in your religious beliefs.

  • Nabil Al-Murabit

    Boy, I can sense the fear in the person who wrote this lame ass article. Hell, I kind of feel like Darth Sidious in this regard. Building that Mosque is a land use issue. The Cordova House owns the land, their permits are in order, then they should build the damn thing and get it the hell over with already. Christians and they bulllshiit hypocracy. How many churches did Christians build, historically, in the lands that they conquered (not to say that Islam has conquered A-merry-ka or plans to)? Secondly, if ground zero is that damn sacred, then why is it still an f’n hole in the ground? This is just another b.s. article, from an eqully b.s. web site.

  • MCD

    You guys do not understand, you think that this is a game and we make up this shit just to sound stupid. It is a real war, spiritual right now but by the end it will manifest itself into the bloodshed of millions perhaps billions.

    The evils of Islam are very real, 9/11 should be a sufficient proof of their willingness to harm innocent people. Those “good” muslims aren’t going to run the show, it’s going to be those who cease the power and force the people into submission. Once they control the whole county(they got the white house) don’t think for a second that they won’t fail to murder all who oppose Islam. Find it hard to believe? They do it in their own country right now!

    Truly this is a grave situation, but it was spoken through the mouth of Jesus. We will be persecuted while the beast is allowed by God to rise to power in order for prophecy to be fufilled. My fellow Christian be not troubled for your reward is great in heaven, but pray for those who the beast has control over. Pray that they turn and accept Jesus Christ for hell should be experienced by no man.

    Yes, our faith is one that has been paid by the blood of millions of martyrs who refused to reject the Christ, even to the point of death. It is soon approaching when the same sacrifice will be required by us, but fear not him who can kill the body and after that has no power.

  • MCD

    I don’t want anyone saying that muslims accept Jesus as we Christians do. That is a lie straight from the mouth of Satan! They do not believe in the crucifixion, nor the resurrection. If Christ is not risen then we are all found to be false witnesses before God claiming that He raised Christ Jesus from the dead. Luckily we are not the only ones who testify to this, but also the Holy Spirit.

  • Abdul Tomas

    You’re speaking for yourself bud. Ignorant people like yourself have no repect for one others religion. Just a fear of a growing peaceful religion. Try opening the Quran once- or are you afraid you might convert?!

    God Bless

  • I think the writer is confusing radical Islam with Sharia, not that there’s any clear dividing line. The real point is that Muslim immigrants from Muslim nations where Islam is the official religion and Sharia is in operation bring the Muslim supremacy mindset with them, that wants Islam to rule the govt. and make Muslims superior to non-Muslims in all ways, and is totally intolerant of the rights of others. They have been showing this by refusing to assimilate but instead remaining separate and making brazen demands that never end. Unless and until Islam undergoes a reformation like Christendom did, the U.S. needs to shut the gates to more Muslim immigration, else it will be a repeat of the Trojan Horse. Take the Historyscoper’s free online Islam history course and master all the key facts about Islam, its ideology and terminology to see what the problems are at http://go.to/islamhistory

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  • Logan Dunn

    I am a raving islamophobe & proud of it. If you’re not an islmophobe, then you are a fool and are putting your children’s & grandchildren’s futures at risk.

    Take the test to find out if you are an islamophobe:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/08/26/are-you-an-islamophobe/

  • Logan Dunn

    Oh and “Abdul Thomas”, islam doesn’t mean peace it means SUBMISSION.

    The koran has few peaceful passages, most of which have been abrogated (cancelled) and there are at least 100 passages that call for the murder of infidels (non-muslims like you & me). It is a book of war , murder, deceit & violence written by …well that’s another topic for another time & it isn’t pretty.

    If anyone has any doubt that islam is violent, just remember that there have been almost 16,000 muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11 and that’s just for starters.

    Wake up!

  • TUM

    “You guys do not understand, you think that this is a game and we make up this shit just to sound stupid.”

    No, you don’t HAVE to make up shit to sound stupid, you can do that fine on your own. You guys just insist on passing along “made up shit” which ends up making you look stupid.

    “The evils of Islam are very real, 9/11 should be a sufficient proof of their willingness to harm innocent people.”

    I totally agree. Just like the KKK shows how evil and radical the majority of Christians are— hey wait a minute…

    “Once they control the whole county(they got the white house)”

    Wow. Just wow.

    “Find it hard to believe? They do it in their own country right now!”

    Call back once A) the majority of Christians in this country somehow do a 180 and become the Muslim majority, or B). When the majority of Muslims in this country are radicals.

    “Yes, our faith is one that has been paid by the blood of millions of martyrs who refused to reject the Christ, even to the point of death. It is soon approaching when the same sacrifice will be required by us, but fear not him who can kill the body and after that has no power.”

    Wow if you just change the word “Christ” to “Allah” This doesn’t sound any different than something Osama bin Laden would say.

    You Christians sure are scary.

  • Greg

    There is a lot of appeal in being a Muslim because you can kill any one you desire to kill. All you have to do is say they were an infidel and that you killed them for Allah. It is a misunderstanding to call it a religion of peace – it is a religion of pieces with body parts strewn around Muslim followers. Revelation tells of the millions who will be beheaded in the last days. This correlates very well with the rise of the religion of pieces. The ONLY certainty of salvation in Islam is to kill for Allah and to die while committing murders but even then the demon Allah may not accept your murders if you don’t start early. Surah 9 requires that Muslims kill – it is not an option but fortunately there are a lot of pseudo-Muslims who don’t follow all of the commands. Sort of like the pseudo-Christians who say it is acceptable to be homosexual or to murder babies. Islam will be used by their god – Satan – to wreak the havoc that is foretold in the tribulation.

  • Pleeze

    Gimme a break…paranoid delusional crazy christians at it again. So christians can form militias but Muslims can’t. Is that it? No wonder you guys’ numbers are dwindling more and more everyday.

  • TUM

    Greg, have you even read the Old Testament?

    It always cracks me up when I see idiotic Christians and Jews talking about how horrible the Quaran is, like the bible is any better.

    The Bible says that if anyone comes up to you and says they want to follow another god, you have to beat the shit out of them, then you have to call all your friends so you can all take turns bashing their skull in.

    Deuteronomy 13:6-9

    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known,
    7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),
    8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him.
    9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.

    All of your holy books are immoral. Stop pretending like your imaginary friend is any better than theirs.

  • Logan Dunn

    Don’t assume everyone who opposes izlam is Christian, because it isn’t true, many are atheists, agnostic etc., unless of course that’s all you have to offer. It suggests you are unable to present a valid argument because you haven’t studied izlam like many of us .

    And forget the moral equivalency arguments because the violent ideology/cult of izlam has no moral equivalent, thank g-d.

    Can anyone interpret what the heck “TUM” meant?

    ps I use the spelling “izlam” for a reason.

  • Greg

    TUM – yes, I have read and listened to the entire Bible at least 50 times. Having done so, I understand why God placed specific commands in his word and I understand what his plan is for his creation. With my understanding of the Old and New Testaments – which is most likely quite a bit more studied than yours – I know that it is not God’s plan for Christians to kill those who worship other gods and I know that, unlike the Muslims, I will not gain credit for murdering others. While I have not read the Koran as many times as I have read the Bible, I have read parts of it numerous times and am likely more knowledgeable of that demonic book than you are as well.

    It is comical to me that fools will use just enough of God’s holy word to pretend they are the ones truly in the know yet not actually study the writings provided to us by the creator and the one who will tell us where we are to spend eternity. To top off the foolishness, they then call us idiots!

  • TUM

    “Don’t assume everyone who opposes izlam is Christian, because it isn’t true, many are atheists, agnostic etc., ”

    Of course atheists and agnostics appose Islam, they appose all religions, what the heck is your point?

    I am also against Islam, and Christianity, and any other religion you can think of, except maybe Buddhism. All of them are dumb. I would much prefer if all of you people would come back to reality with the rest of us.

    But that’s not going to happen anytime soon. So I have no choice but to coexist with all of you. So I don’t have any beef with the liberal and moderate Muslims that occupy the US. and Neither should you. They are not causing any harm, in fact the Christians are much more dangerous, as they have the majority and use it to deny human beings of their basic human rights and impede scientific progress.

    Many of the things in the Koran are indeed horrid and disgusting, just like the Bible (yes that includes the New Testament).

    The problem I have with people like you is that you associate all Muslims with the likes of Bin Laden. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in America are moderates. Their holy book says some terrible stuff, but they ignore it, just like you Christians ignore almost the entirety of the Old Testament.

    You associating all Muslims with radical conservative Muslims is the equivalent of me associating all Christians with the KKK or the Westboro Baptists. These Muslims are not going out and killing people in the street, despite what their holy book says. They cherry pick from their holy book just like you Christians. You have no reason to be against the moderates.

    If you guys are this venomous against moderate Muslims, then you should also be attacking the Jews. They have no excuse as to why their God ordered such horrible things (Christians can at least hide behind the New Testament.)

    No Jews today follow what their holy book says to do. Just like the moderate Muslims in America don’t follow what the Koran says. For some reason you guys single out the Muslims, and yet I’ve never heard any of you anti-Islam folk attack Judaism for its abominable book.

    I know you’re probably thinking now “but the Koran is worse!”. But that is irrelevant. Moderate Muslims do not follow the Koran’s violent and destructive teaching, just like the Jews don’t follow verses of the Bible like Deuteronomy 13:6-9.

    If you’re talking about how terrible Al-Quida and the Taliban are, fine. I am with you all the way, as they actually act on their holy book. The Moderates however, do not. And there is no reason to attack them for what they don’t even follow.

  • hasan

    you are all missing the point. the torrah, bible and quran all have the same message. we all believe in one god and we base our teachings on peace, love and respect.

    the story of islam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex5Szpi_cNA

    “the faults that many view with the faith today lays completely on the sholders of the muslims (the select ones commiting the acts), not on islam

  • Me

    This is the truth? Ridiculous.

  • Yao Olushula

    Lol! You have got to be kidding me……..This has got to be a white christian thought pattern, Unbelieveable.

  • Yao Olushula

    Lol! You have got to be kidding me, this is paranoia to the ninth power.

  • Ryan

    It was Rummy himself who said a missile (not a plane) hit the Pentagon. And speaking as a Christian, I feel that our country is under more of a threat by other radicals who (profess to) follow Christ.

  • Greg

    TUM – you are still speaking from ignorance. I certainly don’t deny the Old Testament but do recognize the plan of God as it progressed from the early Old Testament when there was no established judicial system through the New Testament. Regarding coming back to reality with the rest of us, what rest of us are you talking about? While there are many beliefs about God, it is a small minority that claim to be atheists as you claim to be.

    A reality that you should be concerned about is the fact that when people face trying times they tend to revert to their core beliefs. You will, therefore, see true Christians exhibit more love and more Christ-like character as this nation continues to deteriorate (emphasis on true). You will see the moderate Muslims incorporate their core teachings as well and that will lead to them becoming radicalized. Fact 1 – the demon god Allah will not provide assurance of paradise to Muslims unless they are killed while committing murders; Fact 2 – many people claim to follow Christ when in reality they do not, but you have a lot more to fear from those who read a book that commands them to murder than you do from those of us who read a book that commands us to love and tells us we will be condemned to hell for murder.

    I have no problem whatsoever with you being an ignorant atheist but find it necessary to counter your spouting of fools doctrine that may sway others to follow you to hell.

  • Mike

    This is the truth. It only sounds paranoid compared to the crap we’re constantly fed by the muslim loving and Christian hating main stream media. I’m not a Christian, so my opinion here is not mere regurgitation from the pulpit. It’s what I’ve learned from several muslims, reading the qu’ran, news, and reading.

    I learnd the following from a muslim I worked with about ten years ago: One of the most important prophecies of Muhammad was that Muslims would lose war after war for hundreds of years, but would finally win the final jihad where all peoples of the world would become muslims or be killed. Only then will there be peace. All muslims are taught this! It’s equivalent to the resurrection of Christ in Christianity(rather important, don’t ya think!). Muslims also learn that it’s their duty as muslims to make this prophecy come true. They are encouraged to go propagate and populate so that they will eventually have the numbers needed in all countries to stage the final jihad. This is why so many here and in Europe seem to hate it and keep to themselves. Until then, they can lie to infidels about their goals. It’s a sin to lie in islam, but only to fellow muslims. Lying to further islam is allowed, according to the prophet Mohammad. At this point in time, deception is needed because they don’t have the numbers in our country. In Europe, however, they are only 1 generation away from being in the majority in many countries! If you’ve ever seen their protests in Europe and heard threats, you know that they are far bolder and violent than they are here. That will change when they get their numbers up here in the USA.

    Instead of just posting how stupid you think all this is, do the intelligent thing and investigate for yourself. The more you learn, the easier it becomes to identify the lies from the truth. It’s worth the effort.

    As I stated above, I am not a Christian. I see the lies and abuses in Christianity, but I also know it’s not Christianity, it’s individuals within. The difference between Christians and this scum from middle east is at that Christianity is compliant with the Constitution of the USA, whereas sharai(lslamic law from the qu’ran) is NOT. Don’t believe anyone that say sharia and our constitution can coexist; they are fundamentally opposed. As such, I side with freedom and Christians!

  • Mike

    I see in several comments here that most muslims are not radicalized, like Bin Laden, that they are peaceful. Others here, with muslim names like “hasan”, state islam is a religion of peace. This is crap. Look at the evidence. Do muslims join our armed forces in mass to fight against the horrible jihadists that drove them from their homeland to our shores? NO. In fact, most muslims are against our war on terrorism. Why? Because islam forbids muslims from supporting infidels in any fight against any muslim, regardless of their crimes.

    As violent as sharia law is with all the beheadings and amputations of hands and limbs for crimes, a muslim can never be killed for murdering infidels. Does this sound like muslims have any intentions of living amongst us as equals? NO

    Understand that Muhammad encouraged lying to the enemy(read all infidels) when needed to further the spread of islam. What also needs to be understood is that the qu’ran, unlike the bible, has in it a method for resolving any conflicts within itself. You take the most recent passage over the older. All the peaceful stuff in the qu’ran is in the begining. The violent passages, written by Muhammad later, supersede these. All muslims know this. They use the peaceful passages to “lie” to the evils westerners about their intentions.

    So, are most muslims peaceful? Do they desire to live under our laws and not try, eventually when they have the numbers, to make sharia the law of the land? I say no. Their actions, not what they say, speak otherwise. Know your enemy! It would have paid the people of Germany to have read Hitler’s book, “Mein Kumpf”(not sure I spelled that right) before stupidly believing his lies and voting him into power. The same is true about muslims.
    I urge any of you that think I’m just hateful to please read the qu’ran, watch the actions of muslims, not what they say or what the media would say about them. Ignoring these truths and hoping that you’re right about muslims having nothing but peaceful intentions is foolish.

    Accepting the truth can be scary, as it leads to the conclusion that they will likely be armed conflict in the not so distant future. Ignoring it will only insure your fast passing; it doesn’t make the reality go away. Preparing for it gives you a fighting chance. Get armed, get organized. Your enemy already is!

  • Greg

    Mike – excellent comments. Although I am a Christian and wish that all would become Christians, it is also my goal that people simply open their eyes to reality. You are correct about Islam and those who read their demonic book will eventually become murderers. I had to read it several times before the horrific reality hit me that there is absolutely no assurance of paradise for Muslims unless they kill, begin killing early, and die while killing. By the way, for you “moderate” Muslims, please call me a liar and keep that belief until you die. I would so much rather you call me a liar than murder me!

    After my study of the Koran I came to the conclusion that it is one step beyond the Satanic Bible because the Koran is applied Satanism. Anton LaVey had to be more subtle but they both honor the same “god”.

  • Greg

    Clarification – those who adhere to the demonic book will become murderers.

  • TUM

    Greg- “I certainly don’t deny the Old Testament but do recognize the plan of God as it progressed from the early Old Testament when there was no established judicial system through the New Testament.”

    How anybody could believe a moral god would EVER condone and order the things in the Old testament is beyond me. Or how it even makes any moral or logical sense to make a victim of rape merry their rapist.

    “Regarding coming back to reality with the rest of us, what rest of us are you talking about? While there are many beliefs about God, it is a small minority that claim to be atheists as you claim to be.”

    Well first of all, I’m agnostic but believe that pretty much all organized religions are wrong. But I think there exists a possibility there could be a higher power. But anyway you are right, my statement was poorly constructed, I know believers are majority. Of course just because they are the majority does not mean they are more correct.

    “You will, therefore, see true Christians exhibit more love and more Christ-like character as this nation continues to deteriorate (emphasis on true)… etc. etc. ”

    I have no problem with this statement as it is probably true that “True” Christians and “True” Muslims would act in a way that is more close to their traditional religious beliefs.

    But here’s the thing:

    The moderate Muslims are NOT true Muslims.

    They do not follow or believe in lots of the laws of Islam. They have already rejected those parts. Just because difficult times arise does not mean they would all of a sudden believe things they have already rejected as immoral.

    “I have no problem whatsoever with you being an ignorant atheist but find it necessary to counter your spouting of fools doctrine that may sway others to follow you to hell.”

    And I have no problem with you believing in fairy tales, just so long as you don’t discriminate against others because of your delusions. At which point I feel it is necessary to counter your ridiculous hypothetical “Muslims might go on a killing rampage if this possible thing happens sometime in the future maybe” rant.

  • TUM

    Mike- “I urge any of you that think I’m just hateful to please read the qu’ran, watch the actions of muslims, not what they say or what the media would say about them. Ignoring these truths and hoping that you’re right about muslims having nothing but peaceful intentions is foolish.”

    Okay, so rather than some Muslims being moderate and rejecting parts of the Koran, you think it is more likely that all Muslims on earth are part of a giant conspiracy in which they pretend to be peaceful so that once they have enough followers they can start a giant holy war and take over the world.

    Yeah you’re nuts. If this is true they must really suck at communication, as radical Muslims (the likes Osama) just outright attack people anyway. They just must really freaking suck at this take over thing, as 9/11 caused the complete opposite effect.

  • TUM

    Greg-“You are correct about Islam and those who read their demonic book will eventually become murderers.”

    Yeah, except for all those generations upon generations of American Muslims that never killed anybody.

  • Greg

    TUM – I have read and/or listened to the Bible at least 50 times. From that reading I know that God created us, that he is a merciful and loving God and that he is a wrathful God against sin and wickedness. I understand his judgment and as I see wickedness increase I understand why he has to finally bring destruction. However, he has paid the price for satisfying the required judgment for sin if we accept it and repent so, in my view, that makes him wonderful.

    I have read much of the Koran and some parts numerous times. If I believed the Koran was God’s truth I would believe that Allah was fickle and that I could follow the Koran diligently yet he could still decide to send me to hell. I would believe that I had a much better assurance of spending eternity in paradise if I killed infidels who are defined as Jews first, Christians second and all other non-Muslims third. I would also believe that I had to begin killing them quickly because it tells me that Allah may not accept my murders if I hold back, essentially being viewed as a timid wimp in Allah’s eyes (my words). I would also believe that my only guaranteed assurance of paradise was if I died while committing those murders. I would believe that killing was not really “murder” as long as I claimed I was killing for Allah and the victim was an infidel.

    You would have to study the Bible in order to gain an understanding of God but if you read the Bible without being swayed by the many writings and teachings that distort the Bible, you would come to the same conclusion I have. Regarding the satanic Koran, my understanding is based on simply reading various English translations that I have downloaded from Muslim websites. I have gone through seven years of college to obtain a science and an engineering degree and therefore can claim to know how to read. I can also look at the fact that many Muslims throughout the world have come to the same conclusion that I have because we see them live it out.

    I have Muslim friends and have had for years. That does not change what their book says and what I believe we are going to see if Islam continues to rise. Their demon god requires them to force others to bow to him and they will follow those satanic commands as they are able to enforce them, just as they do in Muslim countries. There are now even Sharia courts in the UK.

    At the present, Muslims are unjustly being slaughtered from a war started by a “Christian” president that he justified with numerous lies so there is an irony in even having a dialogue about the Koran’s admonition to commit murder while our nation justifies their current murder. Our use of depleted uranium in Iraq will lead to the death of millions more than we have already killed. All of us should be prudent to understand what Allah intends for his followers to do to us but we should immediately demand that the genocide against the Muslims cease.

  • TUM

    Greg – “I have read and/or listened to the Bible at least 50 times. From that reading I know that God created us, that he is a merciful and loving God and that he is a wrathful God against sin and wickedness. I understand his judgment and as I see wickedness increase I understand why he has to finally bring destruction. However, he has paid the price for satisfying the required judgment for sin if we accept it and repent so, in my view, that makes him wonderful.”

    I can understand having harsh punishments. But there are harsh punishments– and then there is killing a child for disrespecting his parents. That is a whole new level of “harsh”.

    And then there are those laws that make no sense no matter how you look at them, such as making a rape victim marry their rapist. If we stone kids to death for disobeying their parents, then why was a rapist almost rewarded for his horrid deed?

    “You would have to study the Bible in order to gain an understanding of God but if you read the Bible without being swayed by the many writings and teachings that distort the Bible, you would come to the same conclusion I have.”

    I hear this from Christians a lot, but I feel like the same argument could be made by Muslims about the Koran. So just like with the bible, I don’t see how me reading the entire Koran would somehow convince me that the many, many verses I find immoral would somehow become moral to me.

    “I can also look at the fact that many Muslims throughout the world have come to the same conclusion that I have because we see them live it out.”

    Yes, and I totally agree with you about radical Muslims. But when your talking about Muslims that have lived in our country peacefully for generations, I don’t get why we need to be so scared of them having a small amount of growth over the coarse of 20 or so years. The majority of America will never be Muslim. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. And as it is plain to see the parts of the Koran that you mentioned are ignored by American Muslims. There are no American Muslims killing every infidel that crosses them the wrong way. No matter how big Islam gets in America, I highly doubt that these Muslims would start embracing the parts of the Koran they have ignored for so many years.

    “Sharia courts in the UK”

    … for Muslims. It’s not like they are forcing non-Muslims to abide by Muslim laws.

  • Greg

    TUM – I appreciate your comments. You seem to be a person who has legitimate questions as opposed to bitterness or anger. Not all persons will accept Christ as their savior and even many of Jesus disciples turned away when he gave certain hard teachings, leaving him with only 12.

    The key difference between Islam and Christianity as far as the issues you raised of what you need to fear: When I face trying times as a Christian I know that I will lose my salvation if I do not remain faithful to the end and I know that does not allow for the wanton killing of those I choose to categorize as infidels, sinners, heathens or whatever. If I believed the Koran was anything other than a demonic book with no aspect of the true God whatsoever, I would believe that my best hope of not spending eternity in hell was to kill as many people that I could call “infidels” as possible and ideally to die while I was in the act of murdering them.

    If you live in a community of 5,000 people who believe like me and you are one of 1,000 who don’t believe like me, would you be afraid of those who believe like me? If you live in a community of 5,000 who believe the Koran is true and you are one of 1,000 who do not believe the Koran, would you be afraid?

    The demon god Allah has no intention of allowing anyone to not bow the knee to him. Just as you see throughout the world, when Muslims have the power to enforce Allah’s demonic will, that is what they do because they have no choice. The light yoke that Jesus commanded us to carry as his followers and the laws we have had in this nation which, for the most part, were shaped by the Bible are going to seem so tolerable once we move further into an Islamic society.