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The Horror Of Government Run Veteran Health Care

va-hosptial-conditionsWhat would a U.S. government run health care system look like? Well, one big indication is to examine what is going on at places where the United States government is already running health care. One of those place is at VA hospitals, and the reality is that the level of care that our veterans receive can only be described as horrific.

Some time ago, ABC News did an investigation of VA hospital conditions that uncovered the reality of “disastrous management and deficient care” at the 162 VA facilities throughout the United States.

The following are just some of the things that ABC News found during the course of their investigation…..

*Bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement

*Dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies

*Examining tables that had dried blood and medications still on them

*Equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments that had broken down

*Some patients were forced to beg for food and water

*Vets neglected so badly that they developed horrific bedsores and dangerous infections

Is this any way to treat our veterans?

Is this what we can expect under Obamacare?

So will there be long waits and rationing under Obamacare?  If it is anything like the vets are experiencing right now there will be.  Just consider what ABC News found about vet waits for health care…..

Veterans who responded to a survey by the American Legion in 2003 said it took an average of seven months to get a first appointment at a VA hospital. In some hospitals, patients have waited as long as two years.

Is that the kind of health care system that you want?

Do you think that you will be treated better or worse then military vets under Obamacare?

Not only do we find rationing in VA hospitals, but we also find the kind of “death counseling” that the Democrats have worked so hard to deny will happen under Obamacare.

Jim Towey, the president of Saint Vincent College, former director of the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives and the founder of the nonprofit organization Aging with Dignity just wrote an extraordinary piece about this in the Wall Street Journal.  The following is an excerpt from that excellent article where he describes that death counseling that takes place at VA hospitals……

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Last year, bureaucrats at the VA’s National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, “Your Life, Your Choices.” It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA’s preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated “Your Life, Your Choices.”

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

“Your Life, Your Choices” presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political “push poll.” For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be “not worth living.”

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to “shake the blues.” There is a section which provocatively asks, “Have you ever heard anyone say, ‘If I’m a vegetable, pull the plug’?” There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as “I can no longer contribute to my family’s well being,” “I am a severe financial burden on my family” and that the vet’s situation “causes severe emotional burden for my family.”

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

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But Democrats assure us that this type of thing will NOT happen to seniors under Obamacare.

Do you believe them?

Perhaps if they had not already lied over and over and over to the American people they might have a shred of credibility left.

The reality is that if we let the U.S. government take control of health care then our elderly will become very vulnerable.

The truth is that the U.S. government will abuse all of our seniors under Obamacare the way they are abusing our veterans right now if this “health care reform” package gets pushed through.

The two videos posted below show more examples of the incredibly poor conditions at VA hospitals around the U.S. 

This first video is of a news report which explains how cardiac alarm monitors were actually turned off at one VA hospital…..

This second video is another news report that examines that very unsanitary conditions at 3 other VA hospitals…..

If the U.S. government cannot even provide decent health care for military veterans, what in the world makes you think that they can do it for the entire population?

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  • Stephen Verges

    The Veterans Administration people are grand! How dare you insult them, you should have more respect for a government agency that handles the dire needs of veterans issues like angry potato peeling kitchen police goons.

    Ever hear that saying”if you deal with a shitty diaper that weighs less than a pound you got a baby, if you deal with a shitty diaper that weighs five pounds you got a problem”

  • Bonnie

    Hey you…since you haven’t worn the shoes and walked a mile in them then you need to get off the pulpit until you do!

    Recently, I watched – almost helplessly – systemic, group protected negligence (cover ups) at a particular POD in a West coast VA hospital.
    A lawsuit is coming for sure but in the meantime….how many more patients will be given little food upon admittance to the facility,
    left to do without being bathed unless family or friends help out,
    be harassed,
    intimidated (into silence),
    told to participate in a health care treatment program when there has been an incomplete diagnosis,
    injured by mishandling (RN claimed they were not trained to handle the particular situation),
    wrongly medicated because the same RN has her own agenda since she had to answer for failing to do her job duties (what she is paid to do) and flat out lied about a patient to the EMR team doctor, which resulted in a do-not-administer medication being injected, which – again – caused an allergic reaction that progressed to convulsions and seizures – with Benadryl being denied for over an hour.
    The patient – a SCI patient has regressed to having urinary problems that had been overcome 4 weeks prior and now has a high level of mistrust and fear of the medical environment…even when stating there are several who are quite competent and do their jobs well.

    Many of the elevator door sensors are a joke. The doors slam shut without sensing anything is between them. That is exactly what happened to the above mentioned SCI patient.

    There are present day stories being relayed by other patients that mirror those found online.
    They have shared their experiences of poor care but some choose not to push the matter in fear of receiving even worse treatment.

    Records are non-existent regarding reported incidents involving a certain few.

    Yes, there are some absolutely wonderful and compassionate medical staff…but…those who are guilty of negligence and abuse and are not being forced to answer for the wrongs that they have done, overshadow the positive qualities of those who do the job well.
    Accountability is sketchy at best.

    With all that I have seen at this government run medical facility I can’t help but wonder if this is what Obama Care will look like….

  • Bonnie

    Why did you delete my post? It contained several truths about things going on at a certain west coast VA Hospital. Is not this site about truth…?

  • Bonnie

    Okay…now my other post is showing. Very odd..

  • Joe

    The Bay Pines VA Medical Center (St.Petersburg, FL) is a Joke ! The quality of medical “care” there is completely UNSATISFACTORY ! The same applies to the Local VA Out Patient Clinics associated with this hospital ! Do you know that the VA does NOT require their “Physicians” to be licensed? Could the reason for that be, that they cannot get a job anywhwere else ?

    • Anonymous

      I agree 150%! You get what you pay for and more there. They knew I intended to try and get disability for injuries and ptsd, incurred while active duty. They managed to give me a personality disorder,(no thanks, Ive enough problems as it is!) treat me like a RECRUIT, worst care Ive ever received. In 09 I managed to get all private sector doctors, and have been impressed with the care. Unfortunately some cant get/afford private sector. I FEEL FOR THEM. Bay Pines psychiatrists are quacks and they cant keep them in one place very long. They must hate their jobs and it shows, revolving door. here today/gone tomorrow. THEN IM BLAMED FOR HAVING 20 drs. PUHLEEZE! I literally tried to end it all, and swallowed about 200 valium(they still dont know), prescribed by the good old va, who almost killed me on cymbalta! Yeah, I hate that place and all med ctrs. give me triggers. I cant tell the diff between them and active duty hospitals. They KNEW THIS, BUT MADE ME GO. Still dont have disabilty, for hurting back bif time while inservice, and due to MST. I shoulda just screwed him, and gottrn it over with, the line forms to your left!! ALL MALES ON THIS BASE! Idiots! DOGS!May they rot in hades!

  • M. Tenanbaum

    I am a nurse at the VA, so I can speak to some of these issues. Most Vets are old men (i.e. grumpy) who have been doted on (spoiled) by their wives of 40+years. They are vastly overweight (we do not “starve” them, we serve them NORMAL size nutritous meals). They expect the same care they would PAY for outside the VA system. We do not provide that. We provide BASIC health care for those of no other means. Most are dying because they are non-compliant diabetics, they smoke(d), they are obese, and they are very old. Many have done drugs in earlier years, several have HIV or Hep C., or ruined their own health through neglect. In short, they abused their own bodies for 60-80 years then expect us to perform miracles to “prolong” their miserable lives. THAT is the joke, not the VA. Nearly all are ungrateful for their totally free health care that the taxpayers provide. I have trouble realizing that this undisciplined lot ever was in the military. Now they are dying and many are mad at their families, their doctors, or me, about it. There should be ethics to end life when there is no productive/happy life left. Death squads or whatever you want to call it. When I am 85, have cancer, weigh over 300 lb., am blind/deaf and no one gives a damn about me, I hope some death squad will take mercy on me and push the button for a painless release. That way, everybody wins.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ed.dunn.754 Ed Dunn

      You have just proven the article. Your attitude needs an adjustment. You certainly do not have the character we would expect from a nurse.

  • Leslie

    I witnessed horrible neglect of my 92 yr old grandfather a World War 2 vet….My grandfather died from alzheimers. I first noticed signs of the disease back in 2000, but they last couple years it has been awful. I begged my grandmother to take him to our local hospital, but grandpa insisted on going to the VA hosp. My grandfather was NOT a smoker, was NOT obese (he was only 108 lbs at death), NEVER abused drugs, took his medication as prescribed. Everytime my grandfather was rushed to the VA ER for something, he was always returned home a couple hours later. They wanted nothing to do with him. On Mothers Day 2011, he was still coughing really badly, was moaning in pain…I called 911 and had him brought to our local hospital ER…they could NOT believe that the VA released him 2 days before! He was severely anemic…needed 4 blood transfusions, congestive heart failure, very low potassium, kidney problems…the list goes on and on. How come the VA didn’t give him a blood transfusion? How come he wasn’t treated for the congestive heart failure? Thankfully at our local hopsital, he blood levels returned to normal, congestive heart failure cleared up and was under control…..he died 4 months later from the alzheimers. He was unable to feed himself (forgot how), and eventually forgot how to breathe :( BUT, I feel the VA is responsible…..no they are not responsible for the degenerative disease Alzheimers…but they are responsive for the lack of care, meaning, blood transfusions, potassium supplements, controlling the congestive heart failure. The did NOT do a thing. Disgusting.

  • Dave

    There is a dire need for for the Vets Hospital staff to be held accountable for their actions. Accountability rarely is realized and they are truly corrupt. If abuse happens at a VA medical facility, try to complain, you will regret sticking up for yourself. I’ve lived it and this is the truth so help me GOD. I was recently told by a so called Veterans advocate ( and I’m certain he was trying to give me the best advise he knew how to) to sell my home and move into hud or senior citizen housing and purchase private health care because there isn’t any other way I would ever recieve the medical benefits promised to me by the Veterans Administration. I did not like what he told me but I am beginning to believe him. I am disgusted and in need of the benefits that I trusted to be there for me. They aren’t , the only medical benefits provided by the VA are a facade unless you are willing to put up with alot of abuse if you stand up for your dignity. If you flame me here….you must either not be recieving or using your VA benefit or a person that is lucky and has had reasonably good health or a person whom isn’t able or willing to stand up for your dignity.

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  • smith

    I am a vet from Iraq and the level of support and help from the Pendelton VA is nonexsistant!! If this is the future of what we all must wade through then I wish I had never signed up. I can only imagine from my own experiances how the previous vetrans were/are treated. I have recently been told that since the va paid for my xrays that i had no right to request them. My outrage of the 2 year medical wait and the further disrespect and neglect of these “professionals” leaves me in fear for my very life. God only knows the long term effects of this anthrax coursing threw my system.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ed.dunn.754 Ed Dunn

      I have been refused my records also, from the Orlando VA. The reason being, the VA paid for them, so I have no right to them.

  • Nelson

    My father uses the VA hospital in Long Beach, Ca. He is a Vietnam vet and has had several health issues to be dealt with. They have been great in the support of his mental and physical issues. Yes there is a lot of paperwork to be done and you have to be proactive in getting the help you need. If you call for appointments or to get set up within the system you have to stay on top of it and make calls to verify they got what you may have mailed them, make personal visits to the facility to make sure they get the paperwork if they show they do not have it. But in the end this facility has done and continues to do a wonderful job for my father. I have found that a lot of the vets have absolutely no support of their own family and believe me they always need the support. They have fought for your right to freedom and you have no idea what they have gone through mentally and physically so you do not get to just right them off and expect someone else pick up the role as family. People need to do their part to help with things involving getting the care needed for your vet, because no matter what they are still FAMILY. You would be surprised how many vets help other vets work their way through the system to get the help they need. PEOPLE DO YOUR PART FOR YOUR FAMILY MEMBER. And yes I know that all facilities are not alike, but if we are more proactive then maybe all facilities will function the way they should.

    Proud Daughter of a Retired United States Marine

  • http://www.facebook.com/ed.dunn.754 Ed Dunn

    Darned shame when we can get copays at Target Pharmacy cheaper than we have to pay the VA. I know this an old story, but I had to comment after reading it. I’m in Tampa now, and have used the VA in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Atlanta, and the VA system, in general, is a joke.